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Juggalo_Caronie · Mar 23, 2005, 07:13 AM // 07:13

From what ive seen and judging in the last BWE, it seems that the people that play guild wars,...mostly all of them are actually kind of...MATURE!

i have never played a game without some kids or somebody going ''TOTALLY PWNED! J00!''

or some stupid stuff like that.....you can single out almost everybody that plays the game and just talk to them one on one and most of them seem like REAL people....i dont know if any of you have noticed...ive never run into ONE of those kind of ''HAXOR!!!!'' kind of people.....

i think this will make the game HELLA more enjoyable...i mean think about trading...people will actually trade fair and know what there doing and stuff

i dont know maybe im just on a good luck streak, but everybody ive played with so far is pretty cool

CheopisIV · Mar 23, 2005, 07:33 AM // 07:33

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Originally Posted by Juggalo_Caronie

From what ive seen and judging in the last BWE, it seems that the people that play guild wars,...mostly all of them are actually kind of...MATURE!

i have never played a game without some kids or somebody going ''TOTALLY PWNED! J00!''

or some stupid stuff like that.....you can single out almost everybody that plays the game and just talk to them one on one and most of them seem like REAL people....i dont know if any of you have noticed...ive never run into ONE of those kind of ''HAXOR!!!!'' kind of people.....

i think this will make the game HELLA more enjoyable...i mean think about trading...people will actually trade fair and know what there doing and stuff

i dont know maybe im just on a good luck streak, but everybody ive played with so far is pretty cool

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I believe this invasion is coming...I did some GvG fighting and there were a few of these "miss the O key" people telling us they "p"wened us...and the growing spamming of /emotes and salespam in city areas is also on the rise

"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
wow, spammage
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
12 Ranger/nec LFG
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"

But for the most part, i agree

Lews · Mar 23, 2005, 07:34 AM // 07:34

I say maybe 50% of the time you get good people. And that percent goes higher as you get further into the game. But e3 the first time I logged on I heard " I am l33t, pwn joo, haxzor me, y@ dIg?"

Yes, I have to agree with the spamming stuff.

But mostly it gets alot better afte LA.

Bobangry · Mar 23, 2005, 07:48 AM // 07:48

I've also been quite surprised by the maturity of the majority of players. Having played from E3 on I have met many people in Guild Wars and am quite impressed. I don't know if the retail version will be quite as "idiot-less" as the BWE's but I'm sure enjoying it right now. I only have one guy on my ignore list...and that was so many events ago I don't remember why!

Most guilds have been positive in GvG -friendly trash talk notwithstanding- and other PvP for that matter. It's a much different atmosphere from MMO's like Shadowbane. I hope it will last.

William of Orange · Mar 23, 2005, 07:57 AM // 07:57

It's refreshing to find that most people are fairly mature about forming parties and just talking in general. Out of all the people I came into contact with this last event, there were only 2 people who I can confidently say were just downright mean to people in my party who were not living up to their "standards." That could be one of the reasons that I can enjoy just going around in Lion's Arch or Ascalon Arena and hang out for a while without becoming frustrated by all the "l33t" people out there.

Aladdar · Mar 23, 2005, 03:59 PM // 15:59

I'm a little afraid this game will be worse than most MMORPG's in that form as there's no monthly fee required to play so all they've got to do is buy the game and they don't need a credit card. Not that a credit card has stopped a lot of kiddies from playing other games, but it does cut it down some.

Aria · Mar 23, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Aladdar

I'm a little afraid this game will be worse than most MMORPG's in that form as there's no monthly fee required to play so all they've got to do is buy the game and they don't need a credit card. Not that a credit card has stopped a lot of kiddies from playing other games, but it does cut it down some.

For which I am -so- incredibly glad about instances.

I was really worried over this too.. but as a guildie reminded me.. all I really have to do is run back to my guildies and/or friends.. *clings to guild frantically*

But even so.. strangely, I'm still optimistic at the same time.. the GW community has shown itself to be much more mature than any expectations of mine.. and well.. I also think that communities tend to be self-selecting.

I also tend to believe that a lot of those "U SUK D1EE HAX0RRRR" people also are more inclined to griefing. This is purely theoretical, of course, but well, GW doesn't have a foundation for any of the normal types of griefing to stand on thanks to instancing.. and so I still believe that the general amount of immaturity will be much lower in GW, than.. say, WoW.

Taranis · Mar 23, 2005, 05:00 PM // 17:00

I'd say there are many different people on Guildwars:

20% -> OMG WTF H4X I R TEH 1337
40% -> Friendly and mature people
Rest -> Not bothering to talk at all

Dave III · Mar 23, 2005, 05:23 PM // 17:23

I'm not above using terms like "W00t" and "ph34r m3y3 m4d 1337 sk1llz", when appropriate and in order to get a laugh. Nor would I have a problem with someone else doing the same thing, as an occasional thing. What does bug me is constant mis-spellings and poor language skills, not to be confused with the occasional and perfectly reasonable mistype. It's one thing to "mses" up "wehn" typing faster than is normal, especially during high-stress situations like combat. It's another to "tak lik u cnt b bothrd 2 doo it rite". I find it hard to take people who do this again and again seriously. I realize (how shall I phrase this delicately) that there are different interpretations of how language might be used and the skills involved might vary somewhat, but still.

Eh, It's just a me thing, I guess. I just needed to vent. ^_^

As far as avoiding the l33t folks, if we all work to creating the kind of environment in the game where that kind of anarchy just won't work, then we can nip it in the bud, to coin a phrase. I'm not suggesting a thought police, but if we were to install ourselves in various locations and helped folks out when they ask questions, prompt discussions (like actual talking, not just WTB/WTS), and create an atmopshere where people, especially newbies, felt welcome and included (.... a lot like this very forum, I must say), then GW can become a very popular game with a wide crowd. The older online crowd I've met tend to enjoy situations that go beyond hack-n-slash, and GW could go that way- if we let it.

Naturally, Your mileage may vary.

Dave III

Loviatar · Mar 23, 2005, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by Taranis

I'd say there are many different people on Guildwars:

20% -> OMG WTF H4X I R TEH 1337
40% -> Friendly and mature people
Rest -> Not bothering to talk at all

that rest can be broken down as well

more than 50 per cent of those are new shy dont want to look the fool or have been burned enough by the experts who know everything but are not willing to share it with you type

the rest of the rest can be guilds talking teamspeak with regular chat off or the ones who consider themselves above and so superior to everybody that they wont even notice what is going on

i think it will get worse before it gets better

it will get better as good people interact and mark people as friends and the jerks get marked ignore

things will sort out and with the inability to grief there will be no oppertunity to gang up on someone with your little gang and make their virtual life miserable

which will take a lot of fun out of their lives as they are simply ignored

Dreamsmith · Mar 23, 2005, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by Aladdar

Not that a credit card has stopped a lot of kiddies from playing other games, but it does cut it down some.

I believe that's wishful thinking. I've certainly never seen any convincing evidence for this often supposed fact.

This is not a problem that can be solved by credit cards, it's a problem that is solved by instancing and guilding.

Joysze · Mar 23, 2005, 08:38 PM // 20:38

I agree about the griefing part. Also I think a lot of immature players will be turned off by the fact that level is capped at 20 which means they can't flaunt their high levels and call other gamers noobs. And since this game is more skill based than item and level based, unless they're very skilled (which spammers and people who mouth off generally are NOT), they're going to get their little butts handed on a platter back to them.

Dave III, I know what you mean about poor language skills. It drives me up the wall. We have a guild member that does that and his excuse is, it's a game and I can't be bothered. When I'm writing a paper I spell things right. And I'm sitting there thinking yeah right!

All in all, the majority of the people I've had the pleasure of playing with have been really great. This last BWE has seen a whole lot more of people spamming to sell stuff. So much so that, you can't even carry on a proper conversation. But I think ANet is working on giving us the option of filtering unwanted chat out.

Dave III · Mar 23, 2005, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by Joysze

I agree about the griefing part. Also I think a lot of immature players will be turned off by the fact that level is capped at 20 which means they can't flaunt their high levels and call other gamers noobs. And since this game is more skill based than item and level based, unless they're very skilled (which spammers and people who mouth off generally are NOT), they're going to get their little butts handed on a platter back to them.

Ok, learning a new gaming term: Greifing is giving other people ..."grief" for the sheer pleasure of the act of being a jerk. A good word to have around.

Yes, I suspect they just won't have enough to do, really. And won't it be fun to do a little platter service? ^_^ I'd be suprised if the skills and tactics learned here didn't help GW players better in other games, as well.

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Originally Posted by Joysze

Dave III, I know what you mean about poor language skills. It drives me up the wall. We have a guild member that does that and his excuse is, it's a game and I can't be bothered. When I'm writing a paper I spell things right. And I'm sitting there thinking yeah right!

I'm glad I got an agreement on that. I was afraid someone might think I was talking about them, and give me... "grief". ^_^

I just can't understand why people think that way. One guy on a mailing list I was on claimed it was a lack of education, but since it was a 3D graphics list and his work belied a keen understanding of the software I didn't entirly believe him.

(By the way, Joyzse... is that a phonetic pronounciation of Jersey, as in New Jersey? if it is, it's hysterical. ^_^)

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Originally Posted by Joysze

All in all, the majority of the people I've had the pleasure of playing with have been really great. This last BWE has seen a whole lot more of people spamming to sell stuff. So much so that, you can't even carry on a proper conversation. But I think ANet is working on giving us the option of filtering unwanted chat out.

I heard the same thing, A "Market Channel" they said. I'd kinda like to have a Market Area that's seperate from the town in general, if only for the visual coolness factor, but the channel'd pro'lly be lots easier. And as for the majority of the people, I'd very strongly agree with you on that. With RARE exception, everyone was pleasant and friendly, even the sales spammers weren't too bad, outside of the actual spamming.

Dave III

HotSnack · Mar 23, 2005, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Heh don't worry, usually what happens with MMORPGs is that strong forum communities are made before retail, only for them to be dispersed with the influx of new players.

Yes, it's sad. I once hanged round the official City of Heroes forums a year before its retail. Admittedly its community wasn't as mature as Guru's, but it too had its fair share of mature people and informants like today's Guru staff. But once CoH hit retail, lots of n00bish (newb being different from n00b) talk flooded the forums, with the once forum regulars becoming more elusive (my guess being they have sinced formed guilds together to keep their community alive).

Dave III · Mar 23, 2005, 09:44 PM // 21:44

I look at "newbie" on the same terms as the word "ignorant"... a temporary condition, and far from deserving derision or condemnation. Now, "stupid", that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish. I suppose "n00b" goes under that heading.

Dave III

Aria · Mar 23, 2005, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by HotSnack

Heh don't worry, usually what happens with MMORPGs is that strong forum communities are made before retail, only for them to be dispersed with the influx of new players.

Yes, it's sad. I once hanged round the official City of Heroes forums a year before its retail. Admittedly its community wasn't as mature as Guru's, but it too had its fair share of mature people and informants like today's Guru staff. But once CoH hit retail, lots of n00bish (newb being different from n00b) talk flooded the forums, with the once forum regulars becoming more elusive (my guess being they have sinced formed guilds together to keep their community alive).

I actually have migrated from my past forum haunts to stay in GWG primarily.. mostly because if I had to explain why the level 20 cap is good one more time, I was going to puke. And no, I couldn't ignore them.. I'm one of those people who just -has- to respond. My fault, really.

And well.. to clarify.. when I say "explain.." I mean something more around the lines of "responding to ceaseless arguments flooding the forums until I want to smash my head against a wall." I know I'm being a bit hostile.. but if those individuals want 60+ levels to grind to (which isn't a bad thing by itself.. but which -is- everything that GW stands against).. then why not just play every other game out there, and leave GW to us instead of trying to change the fundamentals of the game itself.. *siiiiigh*

Mss Drizzt · Mar 23, 2005, 11:08 PM // 23:08

I played for the first time this past BWE and had a blast. The people for the most part were very nice. The only thind I did not like was the spamming of the salesmen (traders). Now I like to trade also but that was just to much. I found it hard to have a conversation with anyone. Now I like the lvl 20 cap but whish you could get 100 more attrib. pts. That way you could make your character a little stronger so as to be able to play by him/herself.

Aladdar · Mar 23, 2005, 11:14 PM // 23:14

my biggest complaint has actually been the fact that people don't talk. Back in my EQ days (Oh the horror) the community was actually really good most of the time. If you could ever get into a group, there was generally good communication. Suprisingly, the one thing that I believe helped that communication was the downtime. You had so much time sitting around in EQ that there was nothing else to do but talk and plan. The battles are much faster in GW, and imo, require better communication but that speed tends to slow down talking.

Kaiwyn · Mar 23, 2005, 11:20 PM // 23:20

I would love to be able to play by myself. I don't think I will ever be able to keep up with some of the players on a team and I sure as heck know I can't chat while running and fighting (2-finger typist here).

Ages ago I used to play a game online called Empiriana. There were immature twits there too, but there were always seasoned players ready and willing to help a newbie through.

The one thing I liked there, though it is perhaps due to my poor co-ordination skills when with others in a game, was that when you formed a team, the team leader took over full control of your movement through the map, until it was time to battle. That left my hands free to chat....and I didn't smash into walls trying to keep up. It was sort of like a piggy-back ride. There were a lot of traps in that game so it was nice to hitch a ride with someone who knew the maps.

Joysze · Mar 23, 2005, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by Dave III

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(By the way, Joyzse... is that a phonetic pronounciation of Jersey, as in New Jersey? if it is, it's hysterical. ^_^)

Dave III

Hehehe, not Jersey no. It's just a different spelling of Joycee. ^.^

Mar 23, 2005, 07:13 AM // 07:13	#1
Juggalo_Caronie Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dark Carnival	hm...anybody else notice? From what ive seen and judging in the last BWE, it seems that the people that play guild wars,...mostly all of them are actually kind of...MATURE! i have never played a game without some kids or somebody going ''TOTALLY PWNED! J00!'' or some stupid stuff like that.....you can single out almost everybody that plays the game and just talk to them one on one and most of them seem like REAL people....i dont know if any of you have noticed...ive never run into ONE of those kind of ''HAXOR!!!!'' kind of people..... i think this will make the game HELLA more enjoyable...i mean think about trading...people will actually trade fair and know what there doing and stuff i dont know maybe im just on a good luck streak, but everybody ive played with so far is pretty cool

Mar 23, 2005, 03:59 PM // 15:59	#6
Aladdar Elite Guru Join Date: Jan 2005	I'm a little afraid this game will be worse than most MMORPG's in that form as there's no monthly fee required to play so all they've got to do is buy the game and they don't need a credit card. Not that a credit card has stopped a lot of kiddies from playing other games, but it does cut it down some. __________________ Please read THE FAQ and our Forum Guidelines!!!

Mar 23, 2005, 11:14 PM // 23:14	#18
Aladdar Elite Guru Join Date: Jan 2005	my biggest complaint has actually been the fact that people don't talk. Back in my EQ days (Oh the horror) the community was actually really good most of the time. If you could ever get into a group, there was generally good communication. Suprisingly, the one thing that I believe helped that communication was the downtime. You had so much time sitting around in EQ that there was nothing else to do but talk and plan. The battles are much faster in GW, and imo, require better communication but that speed tends to slow down talking. __________________ Please read THE FAQ and our Forum Guidelines!!!

Mar 23, 2005, 07:34 AM // 07:34	#3
Lews Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle, Washington Profession: R/E	I say maybe 50% of the time you get good people. And that percent goes higher as you get further into the game. But e3 the first time I logged on I heard " I am l33t, pwn joo, haxzor me, y@ dIg?" Yes, I have to agree with the spamming stuff. But mostly it gets alot better afte LA.

Mar 23, 2005, 07:48 AM // 07:48	#4
Bobangry Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Alaska Guild: Treacherous Empire [Te] (aka PANK)	I've also been quite surprised by the maturity of the majority of players. Having played from E3 on I have met many people in Guild Wars and am quite impressed. I don't know if the retail version will be quite as "idiot-less" as the BWE's but I'm sure enjoying it right now. I only have one guy on my ignore list...and that was so many events ago I don't remember why! Most guilds have been positive in GvG -friendly trash talk notwithstanding- and other PvP for that matter. It's a much different atmosphere from MMO's like Shadowbane. I hope it will last.

Mar 23, 2005, 07:57 AM // 07:57	#5
William of Orange Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: La Crosse, Wisconsin Guild: Thousand Tigers Apund Ur Head, The Consulate	It's refreshing to find that most people are fairly mature about forming parties and just talking in general. Out of all the people I came into contact with this last event, there were only 2 people who I can confidently say were just downright mean to people in my party who were not living up to their "standards." That could be one of the reasons that I can enjoy just going around in Lion's Arch or Ascalon Arena and hang out for a while without becoming frustrated by all the "l33t" people out there.

Mar 23, 2005, 05:00 PM // 17:00	#8
Taranis Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005	I'd say there are many different people on Guildwars: 20% -> OMG WTF H4X I R TEH 1337 40% -> Friendly and mature people Rest -> Not bothering to talk at all

Mar 23, 2005, 05:23 PM // 17:23	#9
Dave III Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I'm always where I'm at, or else I'm nowhere, man.	I'm not above using terms like "W00t" and "ph34r m3y3 m4d 1337 sk1llz", when appropriate and in order to get a laugh. Nor would I have a problem with someone else doing the same thing, as an occasional thing. What does bug me is constant mis-spellings and poor language skills, not to be confused with the occasional and perfectly reasonable mistype. It's one thing to "mses" up "wehn" typing faster than is normal, especially during high-stress situations like combat. It's another to "tak lik u cnt b bothrd 2 doo it rite". I find it hard to take people who do this again and again seriously. I realize (how shall I phrase this delicately) that there are different interpretations of how language might be used and the skills involved might vary somewhat, but still. Eh, It's just a me thing, I guess. I just needed to vent. ^_^ As far as avoiding the l33t folks, if we all work to creating the kind of environment in the game where that kind of anarchy just won't work, then we can nip it in the bud, to coin a phrase. I'm not suggesting a thought police, but if we were to install ourselves in various locations and helped folks out when they ask questions, prompt discussions (like actual talking, not just WTB/WTS), and create an atmopshere where people, especially newbies, felt welcome and included (.... a lot like this very forum, I must say), then GW can become a very popular game with a wide crowd. The older online crowd I've met tend to enjoy situations that go beyond hack-n-slash, and GW could go that way- if we let it. Naturally, Your mileage may vary. Dave III

Mar 23, 2005, 08:38 PM // 20:38	#12
Joysze Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2005	I agree about the griefing part. Also I think a lot of immature players will be turned off by the fact that level is capped at 20 which means they can't flaunt their high levels and call other gamers noobs. And since this game is more skill based than item and level based, unless they're very skilled (which spammers and people who mouth off generally are NOT), they're going to get their little butts handed on a platter back to them. Dave III, I know what you mean about poor language skills. It drives me up the wall. We have a guild member that does that and his excuse is, it's a game and I can't be bothered. When I'm writing a paper I spell things right. And I'm sitting there thinking yeah right! All in all, the majority of the people I've had the pleasure of playing with have been really great. This last BWE has seen a whole lot more of people spamming to sell stuff. So much so that, you can't even carry on a proper conversation. But I think ANet is working on giving us the option of filtering unwanted chat out.

Mar 23, 2005, 09:36 PM // 21:36	#14
HotSnack Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2005	Heh don't worry, usually what happens with MMORPGs is that strong forum communities are made before retail, only for them to be dispersed with the influx of new players. Yes, it's sad. I once hanged round the official City of Heroes forums a year before its retail. Admittedly its community wasn't as mature as Guru's, but it too had its fair share of mature people and informants like today's Guru staff. But once CoH hit retail, lots of n00bish (newb being different from n00b) talk flooded the forums, with the once forum regulars becoming more elusive (my guess being they have sinced formed guilds together to keep their community alive).

Mar 23, 2005, 09:44 PM // 21:44	#15
Dave III Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I'm always where I'm at, or else I'm nowhere, man.	I look at "newbie" on the same terms as the word "ignorant"... a temporary condition, and far from deserving derision or condemnation. Now, "stupid", that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish. I suppose "n00b" goes under that heading. Dave III

Mar 23, 2005, 11:08 PM // 23:08	#17
Mss Drizzt Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: communist state of NJ	I played for the first time this past BWE and had a blast. The people for the most part were very nice. The only thind I did not like was the spamming of the salesmen (traders). Now I like to trade also but that was just to much. I found it hard to have a conversation with anyone. Now I like the lvl 20 cap but whish you could get 100 more attrib. pts. That way you could make your character a little stronger so as to be able to play by him/herself.

Mar 23, 2005, 11:20 PM // 23:20	#19
Kaiwyn Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BC Canada	I would love to be able to play by myself. I don't think I will ever be able to keep up with some of the players on a team and I sure as heck know I can't chat while running and fighting (2-finger typist here). Ages ago I used to play a game online called Empiriana. There were immature twits there too, but there were always seasoned players ready and willing to help a newbie through. The one thing I liked there, though it is perhaps due to my poor co-ordination skills when with others in a game, was that when you formed a team, the team leader took over full control of your movement through the map, until it was time to battle. That left my hands free to chat....and I didn't smash into walls trying to keep up. It was sort of like a piggy-back ride. There were a lot of traps in that game so it was nice to hitch a ride with someone who knew the maps.